Proceedings at joint sitting (стр. 5 )

The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Please take your seat, Ma’am.

Ms N V MENTE: Mama, ndiyakucela. [Please, Madam.]

The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: I am asking you to take your seat.

Ms M O MOKAUSE: On a point of order, Chairperson of the NCOP... Point of order, Chairperson of the NCOP...

Ke kopa gore o ntshireletse kgatlhanong le Tonakgolo ya Kapa Bokone gonne o a ntshosetsa ka go nkaya ka monwana. Ke letlelesegile go bua mo Ntlong eno ntle le go go tshosediwa.

(Translation of Setswana paragraph follows.)

[I would like to be protected from the Premier of the Northern Cape, because he is threatening me by pointing a finger at me. I am allowed to speak in this House without being threatened.]

On a point of order... Chairperson of the NCOP...

Modulasetilo wa NCOP, ke kopa gore o re letlelele go bua mo Ntlong eno jaaka maloko a EFF, o seka wa letlelela maloko a ANC fela. Go gatelelwa ga maloko a Ntlo eno ga go mo molaong ebile o itse sentle ka ga seo. Ke kopa gore o fedise kgatelelo, mme. (Translation of Setswana paragraph follows.)

[Chairperson of the NCOP, please allow us, EFF members, to speak in this House. Do not allow ANC members only the opportunity to speak. The oppression of members in this House is not allowed and you know that. Please stop this inconsistency.]

The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Hon Mokause, the points you have made... Hon Mokause, please take your seat.

Nksz M S KHAWULA: Sekela Somlomo. Sekela, Sekela, Sekela. Bengicela nkosi yami, asizile ukuzodlala ake nisilaleleni. Ngoba okokuqala nje lo Mongameli akakaxolisi ngento ayenzile yezimali... (Translation of isiZulu paragraph follows.)

[Ms M S KHAWULA: Deputy Speaker. Deputy, deputy, deputy. It is just a plea, we are not here to play; please listen to us. First of all, this President has not apologised for what he did with money...]

The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Hon Khawula, please take your seat.

Ms M S KHAWULA: Ngoba okokuqala nje lo Mongameli akakaxolisi ngento ayenzile yezimali... [First of all, this President has not apologised for what he did with the money...]

The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Hon Khawula, you are ordered to take your seat.

Ms M S KHAWULA: Angikuzwa ukuthi uthini khuluma ngesiZulu. [I do not understand what you are saying; please speak isiZulu.]

The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Hon Khawula, you are ordered to take your seat.

Ms M S KHAWULA: Angikuzwa ukuthi uthini. [Ubuwelewele.] [I do not understand what you are saying. [Interjections.]]

The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Hon Khawula, if you do not take your seat I have no alternative but to ask you to leave this House.

Ms M S KHAWULA: Angikuzwa ukuthi uthini. Mina ngingumZulu ngisuka e-KZN. [Ubuwelewele.]

ILUNGU ELIHLONIPHEKILE: Khuluma ngesiZulu.

Nk M S KHAWULA: Mina ngavota ngo-1994. Ngivotela ukuthi sikhulume izilimi zethu. Ngicela ungikhulumele ngesiZulu, asixabene. [Uhleko.]

USIHLALO WOMKHANDLU KAZWELONKE WEZIFUNDAZWE: Mhlonishwa uKhawula ngicela uhlale phansi.

Nksz M S KHAWULA: Ngiyezwa-ke kodwa ake udedele uMongameli sike simbuze owethu lo Mongameli.

USIHLALO WOMKHANDLU KAZWELONKE WEZIFUNDAZWE: Mhlonishwa uKhawula, ngicela uhlale phansi.

Nksz M S KHAWULA: Ngiyabonga. (Translation of isiZulu paragraphs follows.)

[Ms M S KHAWULA: I do not understand what you are saying. I am a Zulu, I am from KZN. [Interjections.]

An HON MEMBER: Speak isiZulu.

Ms M S KHAWULA: I voted in 1994 so that we can speak our own languages. Please speak isiZulu; we are not fighting. [Laughter.]

The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Hon Khawula, please take your seat.

Ms M S KHAWULA: Now I understand, but please allow us to ask the President questions; this is our President.

The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Hon Khawula, please take your seat.

Ms M S KHAWULA: Thank you.]

Dr Y C VAWDA: Hon Speaker, hon Chair, please allow me to greet you with As-salaamu-alai-kum. I want to indicate that we have a difficulty here, because you cannot ask a person to sit before the person has expressed himself. According to your interpretation of the Rules, you have indicated very clearly that you will rule whether it is a point of privilege or a point of order. You are only going to know that after you have listened to the hon member. And this is the dilemma that you are being faced with. You are making it very difficult for us to continue with the business of the day by not allowing people to stand on points of order and to make themselves very clear. Thank you, hon Chair.

The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Hon Vawda, you are doing very well. Take your seat. Hon members, we will not allow any points of order. [Interjections.] We will not allow any points of order because all the points of order that you have put before this House today have nothing to do with the proceedings or the content of this House.

Ms T J MOKWELE: Hon Chair...

The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Hon Mokwele, I am speaking and you cannot address me when I’m speaking.

Ms T J MOKWELE: I’m requesting you to recognise me, Chair.

The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: I am speaking!

Ms T J MOKWELE: But I am requesting your recognition. It’s according to the Rules.

The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Hon Mokwele, take your seat.

Ms T J MOKWELE: You must recognise me, then I will sit down. Do you recognise me?

The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Please take your seat. Hon members ... Hon Maimane? [Interjections.]

The LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION: We can tonight discuss the job of one man, who was a Minister last year, Mr Nene, or we can discuss the jobs of 8,3 million. That is the decision we’ve got to make. Can I request, Madam Speaker: We’ve heard the points, you can rule on those, but can we proceed because, I think, 8,3 million South Africans deserve to know what happened to their jobs? Can I request that we proceed on that basis, please? [Applause.]

The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Hon members, hon members...

Ms H O HLOPHE: Chairperson of the NCOP...

The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: No, I have not recognised you. I am ...

Ms H O HLOPHE: Can you recognise me?

The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: No.

Ms H O HLOPHE: But, Chair, why are you treating us differently to other political parties? The hon Mmusi Maimane stood up, and then you just gave him the go-ahead. Why? We are equal in this House. [Interjections.]

The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Hon Hlophe, please take your seat.

Ms H O HLOPHE: Can you recognise me, hon Chair? Then I will take my seat.

The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Hon Hlophe, hon Dlamini, hon Mente, hon Mokause, hon Khawula, hon Mokwele, hon Vawda, please leave this House. [Applause.]

Mr J S MALEMA: You are out of order, Mme Thandi. You are out of order. You are out of order because you cannot expel people for speaking in this House. We are not going to allow that. We are not going to allow that. This is so undemocratic.

The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Hon Malema...

Mr J S MALEMA: No, Chairperson, they listened to you and they went to sit down. Now you just call them from nowhere. This is incorrect. It is unacceptable. It’s unacceptable.

The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Hon Malema...

Mr J S MALEMA: You are prepared to...

The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Hon Malema, you were not recognised ...

Mr J S MALEMA: You are prepared to... [Inaudible.] ... the whole party which has been elected by the people in defence of one man.

The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Hon Malema... [Inaudible.] ... must leave this Chamber.

Mr J S MALEMA: There is nothing that Zuma deserves from us in a form of respect. Zuma is no longer a president that deserves respect from anyone. [Interjections.] He has stolen from us; he has collapsed the economy of South Africa; he has made this country a joke and after that he has laughed at us. [Interjections.] We cannot allow Zuma to do as he wishes in this country. We are not going to allow that. We are doing what we are doing because we do not recognise him as our president.

The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Can the Serjeant-at-arms... the Usher of the Black Rod please remove the member... [Inaudible.]

Mr J S MALEMA: He is not our President. Please. [Interjections.] Zupta must fall. Zupta must fall. Zupta must fall. Zupta must fall. Zupta must fall.

EFF MEMBERS: Zupta must fall. Zupta must fall. Zupta must fall.

Ms H O Hlophe, Mr M M Dlamini, Ms N V Mente, Ms M S Khawula, Mr Y C Vawda, Ms T J Mokwele, Ms M O Mokause and Mr J S Malema, having disregarded the authority of the Chair, were ordered by the Chairperson of the National Council of Provinces to withdraw from the Chamber for the remainder of the day’s sitting.

The members thereupon withdrew from the Chamber.

The PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF SOUTH AFRICA: Hon Speaker, let me proceed from where I was. [Interjections.]

We also salute the class of 1976 for their bravery in standing up against the brutal apartheid regime. We acknowledge one of the activists of that era, the Deputy Secretary of Parliament, Ms Baby Tyawa, who is in our midst. This year we also mark 30 years since the ambush and brutal killing of the Gugulethu Seven by the apartheid police in March 1986. The University of Fort Hare celebrates its centenary, which is a critical milestone in the liberation history of not only our country, but the continent. The national celebrations will take place on 20 May. Let me in that context recognise uMntwana wakwaPhindangene, the leader of the IFP, who is a former student of the university. [Applause.]

The year 2016 also marks the centenary of the battle of Delville Wood in France, which took place during the First World War. Scores of soldiers dies there – including black soldiers – who fought in the war and were treated badly due to the colour of their skin, including separate burials in separate places. A memorial that will restore their dignity and humanity is scheduled to be unveiled in July this year in France. [Applause.]

Compatriots, allow me as well to recognise three special guests who are also with us today, the chairperson of the National Church Leaders Forum and Archbishop of Cape Town, Archbishop Thabo Makgoba. [Applause.] Archbishop Daniel Matebesi, the President of the National Interfaith Council of South Africa [Applause.] and Bishop Zipho Siwa, the Presiding Bishop of the Methodist Church of Southern Africa and the President of the South African Council of Churches. [Applause.]